I am sure this proposal will lead to a lot of protests from the owners but before you protest , let"s find find out the reasons why we intend to do so. When you are free, just carry out some observation at the guardhouse. You will notice that these motorcyclists are getting better services that you do. When they stop at the guardhouse, the guards will just press the buttons to allow them to enter. The rationale for them to be given the access cards is not to remove this privilege but is not to burden the guards with this extra duty. The primary duty of the guards at the guardhouse is to prevent uninvited guests from entering our condo. Their attention has already been distracted by having to look after the motorcyclists, the visitors and not to mention those owners who like to enter without access cards.
We understand your concerns that they may misuse the cards by bringing in their second cars. If they bring their second cars, they would have to park illegally. This is where the enforcement will come in. We shall clamp the cars.
Should we decide to implement this proposal, we will have to impose some stringent conditions. Each unit will be entitled to one extra card. You will have to bring your motorcycle reg card as proof of ownership to apply for the cards. . The registered name on the card must be similar to owner's. Over at my condo, we have been practising it for for the past four years and we have not encountered any major problems. It was well received by the owners when I proposed it to the management but I don"t know how the owners at PV10 will feel about it. There are pros and cons.
We need your feedback on the proposal. You are free to comment.
Goodnight and have a nice day.
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is there any limitation of access card given to each unit of house? i'd been told that only 5 lobby access card will be given to each unit....
ReplyDeletewhy not upgrade the lobby access card into a multi-function one?
ReplyDeleteThere's a few points to pin out regarding this proposal.
ReplyDelete1st, as far as I know, most of the motorcyclists in the PV10 consists of College Students in which it may burden their spending if this proposal to get implemented. And ya, the access card is not fully refundable as I know, isn't it? Before this they already paid for a lot of what card and what card.
2nd, it would be troublesome for motorcyclists to actually to get their card out in time when they're about to enter in or out of the condominium. As an example, let's say that it is raining out there, would you still expect the motorcyclist to get the card in time to enter the condominium and find a shed? Yes they do, by the time they get it, they would be getting wet already, unlike cars which have car top as their shelter.
3rd, without the usage of access card by the motorcyclists, I don't see its a problem for the guards to actually open the gates for those motorcyclists. Elsewhere, they're doing their job great at the time as far as I know.
That's all about this. Thank you.
dear owners,
ReplyDeletethe issue here is the access card for the motorcyclist which is similar to the one a car owner is having.
For lobby cards, the maximun no is 8 for the 4 room unit and 6 for the 3 room unit.
tq
Mr See,
ReplyDeleteI quite agree with granting motorcyclists an access card to the guardhouse gate but definitely not an extra card. Why not trade one of their normal access card? This way we will not have another extra few hundred cards that can access PV10.
Another few questions:-
1)How many motorcycle parking lots do we have? There are 800 units of condo in PV10 and if 200-300 of them wants one, do we have enough? Because of insufficient parking they will park everywhere. We can't allocate parking with lot number which will be very unfair to car owners who paid thousands for their lot.
2)When we start granting, most of them will want it. We will have extra flow of motorcycles in our compound. Can we handle all the black tyre mark on the walls? We have not overcome this question yet since it was first brought up.
3)Did the developer ever allocate parking for motorcyclists?
dear blk A owner,
ReplyDeletewe are very stringent in the applicaton. you must own a motorbike by producing your reg card whose registered name must be similar to yours. as for the marks , any solution?. paint it with it with dark colour paint to mask the marks. what do you think?
Dear See,
ReplyDeleteeconomy is getting more and more gloomy and u r adding salt to the wound by proposing gloomy look for our beatiful and bright walls. I strongly disagree with u in this respect. Did propose in my previous posts, probably u didn't get my messages due to one reason or another unknown to me, on putting up metalic gurad-rail on the affected walls to prevent the touches, just to refresh u once again. Quite upset many comments made hv gone unanswered inspite of reminder served.
Dear See,
ReplyDeletethe system worked at yr residing condo doesn't mean that it will also work here or all the new condos. We shall avoid the scenario of camparing apple with orange sometimes. Various factors below are the determinants of its outcome :
1. composition of residents. Students' population on bike?
2. whether the security features being established? Ours still at its infant stage to which more enhancements need to be injected in to instil confidence into our minds.
3. Car theft. Any statistic data from yr residing condo to indicate its trend b4 and after the enforcement of the system. Easy availability of the multi-purpose access card,
esp to those financially weak people with bad traits, can assist the professional car thieves to make quick exit with their loots within seconds without being noticed by security. Probably a car parked inside our condo can go amissing within a minute or so at any time. Hence, our car security is at stake.
4. Will security check the pillion riders who are non-resident?
5. Security to check car sticker at the point of entry. What identity they check on for bike? Any Tom,Dick and Harry can enter/exit at will as long as they own the card?
Yr proposal is good but the timing is not right yet. At this moment, many projects at hand to be embarked on or monitored will take up a big chunk of yr energy and time and i don't think u can afford to get distracted. I say so as u don't even hv time to reply many proposals we made in this blog. Until and unless the enhanced security features are in place and we can see the big picture of the security measures, we shall not implement this system which is clearly at the expense of residents' security.
1 bike 1 card.Fine.That will control the amount of bike park inside the condo.For those who have 1 parking with bike, they can park their bike behind/beside their car as long it doesn't obstruct anyone.
ReplyDeleteFor the students extra burden is not important.This is our home not hostel,the lesser students staying here,the better PV10 will improve.I would said only 5% of the PV10 owner owns a bike, the rest are students.
Regarding Anon statement during raining the motorcyclist will get wet.Don't they wear raincoat? helmets? definitely they get wet no matter how when rain falls.
So is good to implement the bike card system.
Mr.See,
ReplyDeleteThe proposal sounds systematic,but I am not sure whether it works or not.There's few aspect which needs consideration.
1)Security wise
Anyone with the main card (blue printed PV10 fonts)can access both the entrances.( gate & lift lobby).Currently every owner only have 1 each for 1 car park.
2)Car parking
As mentioned above,they might use the same card to enter with another car,where they can park at the empty lots.
3)Not encourage to have more motorcycle parking
There will be more motorcycle parking needed when everyone can just easily pay for that card.The main buyers will then be college students which uses bike the most.Those students nowdays are different from my time,they are willing to pay for that convinience.Means there will be more and more bikes parking in the compound. Currently it is more than enough at G.F,1st& 2nd Floor. Hope it doesn increase.
Cheers
Alvin.
Dear See,
ReplyDeletea multi-purpose access card holder can help to bring in as many bikes as they like as we accord him free access without being screened. Very soon the condo will be flooded with hundreds or thousands of bikes, inclusive mat rempits'and motor bike shop's old junks, that successfully made their illegitimate entry as we do not hv an efective built-in detecting system to flush them out. The same applies to the non-residents who can make their illegitimate entry as pillion riders.
I hv no objection if the 1 bike 1 multi-purpose
card system covers genuine house owners only as it's unfair to deprive them the basic convenience of accessing and exiting the condo.
Dear Anon,
ReplyDeleteparking the bikes outside the designated bike parking bay is strictly prohibited. Plis refrain your good self from encouraging residents to breach the house rule, taking advantage of the subject proposal.
Dear See,
ReplyDeletego ahead and implement it if u r confident that our security team and facilities hv the capacity to control the cons we hilited.
Be accountable for the consequences.
Mr See,
ReplyDeleteI just noticed some flaws about your proposal. You mentioned that we will try to be as stringent as possible in giving out the access card to motorcyclists. How many do you think will be able to get the cards? Probably 3 out of 10? So the balance 7 still need the guards to open the gate for them. While that happened, we will still be giving out stickers to motorcyclists who are not entitled to apply for the access card. In the end the guard will still need to open the gate for the majorities who doesn't have the access card. So aren't we heading back to square one?
Dear See,
ReplyDeletethis econmic down turn may turn out to the the worst u will ever experience in decades. Thousands or million of jobs will be lost soon and forcing the unemployed to go for unscrupulous activities for survival. The subject proposal is as good as loosening condo's security to open up good opportunity for all these unscrupulous elements to make their living at the expense of the unit owners and residents at large. My advice to u is think twice b4 u take yr leap.
Indeed we need it.....please do it ASAP.
ReplyDeleteThank you Mr.See for this proposal.
I agreed if only applicable to PV10 owners who live here.
ReplyDeleteAnon, sounds like u r not one of the owner here.Pls don't interfear. We brought this property with hard earn money,we do care PV10. I believe every owner won't make PV10 like one of the condo's at desa setapak, where we can c bunch of motorcycle parking occupied the compound.Looks terrible, especially there's a group of mat rempit. really stupid!
dear owners,
ReplyDeletethe card will be indicated by a different colour. each unit is entitled to one card. when the ruling is enforced, only motorcyclist with with the card will be allowed to enter. you may find a reduction in the number of bikes in the condo.
The security will be asked to enforce the rule stricly just as for the owners of the car.
Dear See,
ReplyDeletethis will be a side-issue since lobby card was mentioned. From my daily observation, the compliance level for 8 & 6 residents per 4 and 3 room unit respectively is low as many residents, esp students, are seen waiting inside and outside a lobby daily without lobby access card and awaiting for card holders to do them a favour. As all residents are supposed to possess a lobby card each, why these phantom residents landed up in such scenario? What hv we done so far to ensure full compliance to the above-mentioned house rule? Since every resident is also entitled to a resident pass, i propose lobby guard to conduct at entry point 100% check on resident pass once a month to flush out regularly the so-called phantom residents. Plis advise if u hv a better solution.
Dear See,
ReplyDeleteis the issue on no name tag on security guards' uniforms being addressed?
Yr update plis.
Mr See,
ReplyDeleteYou are courting controversies if this proposal is enforced. I foresee most of the current motorcyclists will not be able to get the card due to those stringent criteria. And since they have paid for their stickers and suddenly have their right to park revoked what do you think will happen?
I don't have a motorcycle and i love to see a reduction of bikes in our compound but have we ever thought of those who are currently residing here and commutes daily to work or college by motorcycle? Suddenly they found themselves nowhere to park and they have paid for the stickers. There are no designated parking outside the compound too. So where do they park?
There should be a shed where all the bikes could park at the first place.
I shall comment with my Google ID this moment onwards to prevent any abuse of my open ID.
ReplyDeleteBlock A Owner
Dear See,
ReplyDeletenumerous potential loop-holes were raised for u to mete out security measures to hv them well-covered. Amongst them :
1. Car-theft prevention with CCTV at main exit point and other strategical points.
2. 1 multi-purpose access card 1 bike sticker
for each in-house registered bike to facilitate security screening at main check points and routine check at parking bays to flush out the unregistered bikes.
3. no one resident should possess 2 access cards, be it lobby or multi-purpose. Those requesting for bike multi-purpose card should trade in their lobby card. A multi purpose card holder who is also a motor-cyclist should not be given an additional multi-purpose card.
Check eligibility for 2nd multi-purpose card based on family back-ground, such as whether his children qualified for bike license.
4. assign unique # to each bike parking lot and assign them to the in-house registered bike owner just like the system for cars.
Avoid creating more lots to cater for greater demand as the move will reduce our free space.
5. Effective security measures to deter card holder from smuggling in unregistered bikes and non-residents.
6. Others u deem fit.
Dear See,
ReplyDeleteif we plan to allot bike parking lots to in-house registered bike owners, we should impose a token monthly rental charge of rm10 per lot. The primary objective of the rental charge is not to increase our coffer but to ensure no alloted lot is idling for a long time. It's owner's responsibility to inform mgt if they want to terminate the rental agreement so as others can take over.
Hai See,
ReplyDeleteApakah membuka pagar sesekali itu terlalu menyusahkan bagi pengawal-pengawal itu? Itukah aduan yang diadukan oleh penyelianya? Ianya mengarut dan menjengkelkan.
Teringat saya pada satu ketika itu, dengan bermotosikal saya cuba masuk ke dalam PV10. Tika itu cermin pelindung muka masih tertutup. Pengawal di situ bertindak bijak dengan enggan membuka pagar sehingga saya membuka cermin tersebut lantas menampakkan muka saya. Oleh kerana sudah biasa melihat muka ini barulah pengawal ini membuka pagar.
Apabila seorang pengawal itu berdiri membuka pagar tersebut yang dipandang bukan sahaja muka orang itu malahan pelekat kediaman berlogo PV10. Maknanya pengawal tersebut sebenarnya pasti bahawa yang dibuka pagar itu adalah sebenarnya penghuni di PV10.
Sebaliknya sekiranya seseorang itu mahu mengajak rakannya bermotosikal sama ke dalam PV10. Apa yang boleh dilakukannya adalah dengan masuk dan keluar berkali-kali dengan berlainan motorsikal atau sekadar bertukar kad akses masuk. Maknanya lebih ramai boleh dibawa masuk tanpa sekatan kerana mereka mempunyai kad akses dan pengawal langsung tidak mempedulikannya.
Mudah untuk saya katakan bahawa satu pertimbangan menyeluruh perlu diambil kira sebelum keputusan dimuktamadkan. Kad tersebut boleh dan sentiasa akan disalah gunakan. Saya sangat tidak bersetuju.
(penulisan dalam bahasa melayu sekadar sealiran pendapat dengan GMPPSMI) :-)
hai qubudeen,
ReplyDeletepersoalan di sini bukannya tentang kesulitan pengawal-pengawal untuk menekan butang ataupun aduan dari penyelia securiti. tekan butang itu memang senang. cadangan ini adalah datang dari JMC tersendiri. sebelum cadangan ini dibangkitkan, pihak JMC telah memerhati keadaan di "guard house" . kami dapati pengawal-pengawal kita sentiasa berdiri di tepi alat-alat penekan itu sehingga menganggu tugas mereka yang sebenarnya iaitu menjaga keselamatan kawasan keluar masuk condo kita. kita memang puji sikap kerja pengawal yang disebutkan anda tetapi malangnya bukan semuanya pengawal yang prihatin sebegini. kebanyakannya hanya tekan butang tidak kira samaada di waktu malam atau siang.
bila kita mula melaksanakan cadangan ini, tekanan kita adalah dari aspek penguatkuasaan iaitu ada kad kamu berhak masuk dan keluar. tiap-tiap unit hanya diberi satu kad. tidak dapat dinafikan, pada permulaannya pasti ada masalah yang tertimbul seperti apa yang kami buat sekarang iaitu memperketatkan lagi penguatkuasaan terhadap mereka yang masuk tanpa kad assess.
anda berhak menggunakan apajua bahasa yang anda hendak gunakan asalkan bahasa itu dapat difahami semua. yang penting sekali ialah komen yang dibentangkan itu adalah berkaitan dengan tajuknya.
sekian, terima kasih
hihi..
ReplyDeletebyebye..
Dear See,
ReplyDeletesuggest u tabulate # of completed projects, on-going projects and proposed projects to hv a bird view of our project statusquo and progress as well as deciding now and then whether we should concentrate on the latter 2 category of projects and stop hunting around for more new projects if the existing ones are still long outstanding or stayed stagnant without much progress due to our limited capacity. All and sundry, eat what we can stomach or else suffer from indigestion.
dear raymond,
ReplyDeletewe do not have any new projects at the moment. we don't carry out projects just to please the resident and to make ourselves popular.
Dear All,
ReplyDeleteI don't see the fuss about access card and parking space as there are more pressing issues that should be considered.
Having students residing at PV10 is not a fault of ours. Part of the blame should be directed to the Developer. I've been told that there are about 700 Cosmo student and an almost an equivalent nos for TAR College. Cosmo students are not allowed to have their own cars and not given access cards. Same goes to TARC students. Theres a minimum of 100 vacant parking lot not occupied. I've also been told that PV6 in Taman Melati have only 200 students
I believe as long as the residents have not parked on others car park and not obstructing others, so be it. Any complaints or violation reported, by all means clamp or take other actions. Let the security company or other contractors carry out their duties according to our pre-determined need statements and requirements and judge them by their KPI.
JMC should consider my earlier proposal of having intercom to units to confirm visitors. Also, consider having CCTV around the perimeters of the Condo to check illegal entry. Cost and time of implementation should be applicable where appropriate. I've also request for additional notice board to lobbies of Level 1 & Level 2 for information dissemination. If you have parking at this level, would you go to Grd Floor just to look at notices. It cost less that RM500.00 to put it up
dear beedee06,
ReplyDeletenotice boards will be put up at level 1 and 2 soon. tq for your input. as for the intercom, it may cost up 100k to do it and could be more.
Intercom to units good idea. It's 1 time cost on fixing it. I agree on beedee proposal, but not to burden it on our maintenance fee's then it should be OK. CCTV should also be fix at parking lot which currently we don't have 1!!!
ReplyDeleteJMB should consider this proposal...
i dont agree.... me n hubby is one of the motocyclist.
ReplyDeletefor me not practical during heavy rain since our access card is a low quality type, belive me after 2 or 3 time use during rain the owner hv to see management for replacement.after this maybe there is a cost for replacement.Even the one in our car which is neatly kept sometime cannot open the barrier.
mr see,
ReplyDelete"thumbs up" for notice board on 1 & 2nd floor,
"thumbs up" for our light issue.(2nd floor entrance parking now hv light & thank you for adjusting corridor light according to daylight) good job!
new issue: did u realise that our water pressure lately a bit slow even though our water bill are getting higher?
Dear See,
ReplyDeletefrustrations may set in soon.
We touched on numerous issues of concern lately but none of them, be it low cost or high cost, can take off. And also there's no update on the project status. Understand we need consensus from JMC members to accord them approval b4 implementation. Are all the relevant issues raised being deliberated? How frequent our JMC meeting being held? Good to increase the meeting frequency if necessary to drive the issues at hands fast and hard. Otherwise, efficiency of JMC is at stake.
dear owners,
ReplyDeleteall decisions are made by the JMC. nothing can go ahead without a conscensus from the committee. no unilateral decison made by anybody and that includes the chairman.
Dear See,
ReplyDeletei hope JMC team can engage SMART goal setting methodology to achieve set goals within the time frame set. The goal statements must be specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and with specific time frame. For example : To complete building 8 humps in fornt of the access doors in level 1 and level 2 of all the blocks by 31 May 2009. The same goes for turning the road fronting our main guard-house into one way, full roofing for level 2 car park, so on and so forth. Once committed, we should pool in our collective effort to achieve them. Meanwhile, update residents periodically on the progress status. If we can do that, i'm confident that our JMC team will emerge as the best JMC team in Malaysia and thus enhancing PV10 condo's image along the way.
ZAZA,
ReplyDeleteThe current card access is not really a low quality type. It is HID proximity card ,some 3 years back is consider one of the best one. Current trend are using slightly slimmer one( slimmer than credit card and ATM one) which i think is more framesy.I always kept in my wallet,use at the gate and lift access,so far so good.
Hi All,
ReplyDeleteIntercom system has been use for many highend condo to medium cost apartment.My current parents apartment( 9years old) with condo facilities also comes with intercom.At mont kiara condo, when i visited my client,the guard will intercom the owner/tenants to identify the visitor before letting them in. If no respond they won't let u in. If u have keys,they will need your ID card/License leave at the guard house exchange with a visitor pass.The developer should hv that system installed earlier.Now is too late to run it. I will cost easily 100K above ,and is difficult to run the wiring. Involve lots of hacking works,and all pvc conduit will be expose,which looks ugly.
The only way to avoid all these is by using the second phone line point/wire,where we just need to plug in and place the unit at the unuse points. It may be possible. I've heard that they are using such system at phase 3 projects.I'am sure they can get a better price for extra 800unit in PV10.
This will inprove the security here.
Hi all,
ReplyDeletethe more u touched on the quality of our facilities, the more depressed i'm. Even down to the lowest cost item in house such as the screw for tightening the basin hole cover, we r getting the worst quality one. I had to change the rusted screws to stainless steel ones at my own cost when i first shifted in. All and sundry, we hv been short-changed.
i've to agree with raymond,i also not satisfied with the quality of everything. for example in my hse, wall edge easily chipped off, original paint peeled off easily and the list wont stop.
ReplyDeleteMr.anon, fyi i've change my access card which is kept in my wallet twice. my office access card which is older than PV10 acess card still on good condition,thats why i said ours is a low quality type.
Mr Raymond57,
ReplyDeleteI think that it is a waste of resources for not letting you become one of the JMC team. I would suggest you to come out during the AGM so that we can appoint you. Can't wait to see you in action, screaming and shouting at the management, cleaner, security guard and developer during your term. But of course hopefully not being shout and curse by the resident (like you always do to the JMC members).